FLICKR: From NRMAL to NIPSA
photographic or just plain graphic, WE R ALL ARTISTS!
Flickr is forcing people with more art than photos in their photostreams to be marked 'not in public areas' or 'NIPSA'. This marking is invisible to the artist, and they do not tell us about it.
What it means is that our work is NOT searchable. Our tags are NOT searchable. We become invisible, except when a particular work of ours is in a public group or in a contact's favourites list. Which means, unless you happen upon such an artist's work, OR you have their gallery's direct address, you will not be able to find them.
Paraphrasing the Community Guidelines on Flickr its states:
"With some exceptions, it's OK to post other images, but if
the majority of your photostream contains content other than
photographs (like illustrations, screenshots, diagrams,
etc.) it's very likely that your account will be marked Not
in Public Site Areas (NIPSA). NIPSA means your photos won't
show up in photo searches, but they will still be visible
in your pages, your groups and contacts."
Please help put pressure on Flickr to relax this policy
Here are the best ways to do this:
(1) Use their 'Help by Email' link, and send them a polite note asking them to change this policy.
(2) Please visit DIGG, and vote for the story to be pushed up the popularity polls. That way, Flickr will be forced to take notice of the story, as they won't be able to dismiss it as 'just another artist making a noise'.
URsay doin the rounds. .. .
Vidalia
Why don't you just add more photos? I don't get it. This is a photo hosting site, not an art hosting site.
kimwyatt4000
I know this sounds crazy, but when I search flickr for photos of stuff I want to find photos not paintings or drawings. I wish there was a way to specify that my images are art so they do not show up in photo searches.
I'm sure flickr only started this practice after multitudes of complaints from people looking for photos and getting art instead. I think they are trying to do the right thing for their original client base.
sarabat
Perhaps Flickr could classify all its "nipsa" accounts under a new label, say, "Flickrart", and tell internet surfers that this is the option to click if they are searching for paintings, drawings or if they wish to explore the artists' realm. Artistic members themselves should also be allowed to choose to be in "Flickrart" or remain in Flickr at large (but with the risk of being nabbed and nipsa'd later by some admin!). From the surfer's viewpoint, he or she would be able to select whether to search within Flickr for photos only, or Flickrart for artistic images only or both.
this_is_not_a_name
yes
plus if you want "exposure" you need to move beyond flikr , you should set up a blog and use flikr as an image host.
then network with other blogs etc etc
flikr is a hosting service , very stale as a community
Hello Doodle!
"flikr is a hosting service , very stale as a community "
I don't know where you got that one from. I find Flickr a very active community. My contact list has with time became a great network of friends, and all of the three groups created by me are very active and often reffered to as "photo clubs" rather than just groups.
the butterfly collector
It would be fantastic to have a website like flickr for all creative types, imagine the wonderful souls that would join and I'd imagine that everyone from www.etsy.com would join too! Great Idea, come on someone who knows how to make this happen!!! Actually I'm surprised Flickr themselves have'nt thought of this seeing as there are so many of us in here!
is_not_a_name
no , create a blog each and blogroll each other
then you get way more exposure.
you just use the "blog it" function in flikr and use flikr as a host
"web sites" are so last century :]
Hello Doodle!
This_is_not_ a _name was banned from "THE Biggest Group" with a reason. He creates a lot of smoke, but no fire.
This NIPSA thing is such an old issue that it's not rellevant anymore. This has been raised many times in during the past 18 months or so. And if you go and read others' posts, you'll learn that most of your NIPSA'd artworks can be reverted. What you need to do is to manually make all of your (nipsa) private images public again. Then go ahead send administrators a message asking to review your photostream once again. It shouldn't be much of a trouble, and I know tons of people who were allowed to have their artworks public again.
pincdesign
it seems to me that the internet as a hole neglects artists (when it comes to the blog/networking/uploading sites) for example look at my space, its music spicific profiles have helped meny bands to find there audience, but theres a certine limit to what you can dow with it in terms of showing work. there defanatly is a need for a sight devoted to promoting art and most importantly intorducing artises to each other. however i'm far more intrested in creating "art" than mantaining an art websight, an i would have thought thats how most of us feal.
so this is a pritty good second best.
this_is_not_a_name
i ll also repeat myself: NIPSA is a "marketting approach"
flikr's market is DSLR users who spent 1500$ on gear. that s who pays the bills. I m happy i can get hosting for so cheap.
the NIPSA thing is just a silly software attempt at keeping a unified look for the site from the outside.
lost4words
Hi Silentpoetry.
I'm NIPSA too - lots of us are.
Flickr is a photo sharing sight and people searching Flickr externally don'yt come here looking for drawings etc.
The only problem I have with this is the method used to un-nipsa a Flickr stream.
You are supposed to go through your work and tag all non - photographic images as 'may offend'.
To mind, the real use of that button is to report porn or worse.
I believe that if we had a separate button marked 'non-photographic image' which we could use to remove or artwork from the search programme, it would be a good compromise.
After all, there are lots of art sites on the net where we can post paintings etc and we would still be able to take part in all the internal Flickr social stuff ie groups etc.
vanmeir
This does seem misguided. I know Flickr styles itself as a "photo" sharing site, but I see no reason to exclude other types of images. This is particularly true in the era of Photoshop, when the line between photographs and other types of "created images" is blurry at best.
GerryNiger
If you are an artist go to deviantart or something, flickr is for sharing photos!
Pensketch
That's like saying a hammer is just for hitting nails. A tool is a tool.
This isn't new. I started my Pro account over a year and a half ago and was NIPSA'd right out the gate because I pulled everything I'd had at Smugmug onto Flickr. So, when they reviewed my account they marked me as verboten. They didn't tell me however. That was something I found out over time.
When I did I went back and fourth with Monish for about four rounds of emails until I had sufficiently jumped through the hoops. All of my non-photo work is marked private and now I can be found. Except my art can't. Which still pisses me off.
Rather than try to get them to change their policy on artwork, which I highly doubt they will, we should try to get them to start up a sister site for artists to display their work. Ideally they would offer a discount for people who also have a Pro account on Flickr. It should be easy to do.
The only reason I'm even remaining with Flickr is because I like their level of community. If another image sharing site that is friendly to artists can capture that level of community, I will drop Flickr like the art hating **** they appear to be.
I'll check out Zoomr as well.
bdteacher51
I totally agree; if zooomr or deviant art would set up the ability for members to create groups I'd be gone in a New York second. It is the groups that create the community.
Thomas Hawk
Hey feel free to send your art to Zooomr. We are happy to have both you and your artwork and will not Nipsa you. If you are also a blogger we are giving free pro accounts for bloggers.
What it means is that our work is NOT searchable. Our tags are NOT searchable. We become invisible, except when a particular work of ours is in a public group or in a contact's favourites list. Which means, unless you happen upon such an artist's work, OR you have their gallery's direct address, you will not be able to find them.
Paraphrasing the Community Guidelines on Flickr its states:
"With some exceptions, it's OK to post other images, but if
the majority of your photostream contains content other than
photographs (like illustrations, screenshots, diagrams,
etc.) it's very likely that your account will be marked Not
in Public Site Areas (NIPSA). NIPSA means your photos won't
show up in photo searches, but they will still be visible
in your pages, your groups and contacts."
Please help put pressure on Flickr to relax this policy
Here are the best ways to do this:
(1) Use their 'Help by Email' link, and send them a polite note asking them to change this policy.
(2) Please visit DIGG, and vote for the story to be pushed up the popularity polls. That way, Flickr will be forced to take notice of the story, as they won't be able to dismiss it as 'just another artist making a noise'.
URsay doin the rounds. .. .
Vidalia
Why don't you just add more photos? I don't get it. This is a photo hosting site, not an art hosting site.
kimwyatt4000
I know this sounds crazy, but when I search flickr for photos of stuff I want to find photos not paintings or drawings. I wish there was a way to specify that my images are art so they do not show up in photo searches.
I'm sure flickr only started this practice after multitudes of complaints from people looking for photos and getting art instead. I think they are trying to do the right thing for their original client base.
sarabat
Perhaps Flickr could classify all its "nipsa" accounts under a new label, say, "Flickrart", and tell internet surfers that this is the option to click if they are searching for paintings, drawings or if they wish to explore the artists' realm. Artistic members themselves should also be allowed to choose to be in "Flickrart" or remain in Flickr at large (but with the risk of being nabbed and nipsa'd later by some admin!). From the surfer's viewpoint, he or she would be able to select whether to search within Flickr for photos only, or Flickrart for artistic images only or both.
this_is_not_a_name
yes
plus if you want "exposure" you need to move beyond flikr , you should set up a blog and use flikr as an image host.
then network with other blogs etc etc
flikr is a hosting service , very stale as a community
Hello Doodle!
"flikr is a hosting service , very stale as a community "
I don't know where you got that one from. I find Flickr a very active community. My contact list has with time became a great network of friends, and all of the three groups created by me are very active and often reffered to as "photo clubs" rather than just groups.
the butterfly collector
It would be fantastic to have a website like flickr for all creative types, imagine the wonderful souls that would join and I'd imagine that everyone from www.etsy.com would join too! Great Idea, come on someone who knows how to make this happen!!! Actually I'm surprised Flickr themselves have'nt thought of this seeing as there are so many of us in here!
is_not_a_name
no , create a blog each and blogroll each other
then you get way more exposure.
you just use the "blog it" function in flikr and use flikr as a host
"web sites" are so last century :]
Hello Doodle!
This_is_not_ a _name was banned from "THE Biggest Group" with a reason. He creates a lot of smoke, but no fire.
This NIPSA thing is such an old issue that it's not rellevant anymore. This has been raised many times in during the past 18 months or so. And if you go and read others' posts, you'll learn that most of your NIPSA'd artworks can be reverted. What you need to do is to manually make all of your (nipsa) private images public again. Then go ahead send administrators a message asking to review your photostream once again. It shouldn't be much of a trouble, and I know tons of people who were allowed to have their artworks public again.
pincdesign
it seems to me that the internet as a hole neglects artists (when it comes to the blog/networking/uploading sites) for example look at my space, its music spicific profiles have helped meny bands to find there audience, but theres a certine limit to what you can dow with it in terms of showing work. there defanatly is a need for a sight devoted to promoting art and most importantly intorducing artises to each other. however i'm far more intrested in creating "art" than mantaining an art websight, an i would have thought thats how most of us feal.
so this is a pritty good second best.
this_is_not_a_name
i ll also repeat myself: NIPSA is a "marketting approach"
flikr's market is DSLR users who spent 1500$ on gear. that s who pays the bills. I m happy i can get hosting for so cheap.
the NIPSA thing is just a silly software attempt at keeping a unified look for the site from the outside.
lost4words
Hi Silentpoetry.
I'm NIPSA too - lots of us are.
Flickr is a photo sharing sight and people searching Flickr externally don'yt come here looking for drawings etc.
The only problem I have with this is the method used to un-nipsa a Flickr stream.
You are supposed to go through your work and tag all non - photographic images as 'may offend'.
To mind, the real use of that button is to report porn or worse.
I believe that if we had a separate button marked 'non-photographic image' which we could use to remove or artwork from the search programme, it would be a good compromise.
After all, there are lots of art sites on the net where we can post paintings etc and we would still be able to take part in all the internal Flickr social stuff ie groups etc.
vanmeir
This does seem misguided. I know Flickr styles itself as a "photo" sharing site, but I see no reason to exclude other types of images. This is particularly true in the era of Photoshop, when the line between photographs and other types of "created images" is blurry at best.
GerryNiger
If you are an artist go to deviantart or something, flickr is for sharing photos!
Pensketch
That's like saying a hammer is just for hitting nails. A tool is a tool.
This isn't new. I started my Pro account over a year and a half ago and was NIPSA'd right out the gate because I pulled everything I'd had at Smugmug onto Flickr. So, when they reviewed my account they marked me as verboten. They didn't tell me however. That was something I found out over time.
When I did I went back and fourth with Monish for about four rounds of emails until I had sufficiently jumped through the hoops. All of my non-photo work is marked private and now I can be found. Except my art can't. Which still pisses me off.
Rather than try to get them to change their policy on artwork, which I highly doubt they will, we should try to get them to start up a sister site for artists to display their work. Ideally they would offer a discount for people who also have a Pro account on Flickr. It should be easy to do.
The only reason I'm even remaining with Flickr is because I like their level of community. If another image sharing site that is friendly to artists can capture that level of community, I will drop Flickr like the art hating **** they appear to be.
I'll check out Zoomr as well.
bdteacher51
I totally agree; if zooomr or deviant art would set up the ability for members to create groups I'd be gone in a New York second. It is the groups that create the community.
Thomas Hawk
Hey feel free to send your art to Zooomr. We are happy to have both you and your artwork and will not Nipsa you. If you are also a blogger we are giving free pro accounts for bloggers.
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